the late senator warren rudman just saw that he had done some oral history with the university of california and in that oral history he said this is in the boston globe, the american people sound great on deficits and debt reduction would comes to actually getting rid of a program or reducing the debt, everybody overall essentially -- >> guest: every program has a constituent or an author or a creator. some have been around long enough, the creator of the program built constituency even though it is totally ineffective. it is personal pride or authorship for money going into a district. here is where we are. that is why i think it is important for people to realize what is getting ready to happen. we don't have the luxury of that behavior. the more we continue to be a of that way, the later we will respond to the crisis that is coming. everyone is wound up in a novel about the fiscal cliff. this is nothing compared to what is going to happen. using two million people losing their jobs is a big deal? if this debt bomb goes off you will see twenty million people lose their jobs. you will see